170: How to Be The Person Who Executes. Standing Up VS Avoiding Conflict. Extreme Ownership When it’s Not Your Fault. How to Lead as a Subordinate.

0:00:21 – First actions as a new leader.

0:06:41 – Dealing with your team without punishment.

0:12:16 – Clarifying overcoming Fear of Failure.

0:15:34 – Standing up for the right thing VS avoiding conflict.

0:25:38 – How to lead when you’re not “In Charge”.

0:32:01 – How to take Ownership when it’s not your fault.

0:47:08 – How to find time to do thing things you want to do.

0:57:20 – Would Extreme Ownership exist if Jocko would have been fired for the Blue on Blue.

1:01:23 – Should you take risks to save time/energy/be efficient.

1:10:01 – Is it inhumane to detach during extreme scenarios like loss of life. EMT, Firefighters, Doctors, etc.

1:15:39 – Tips for when you have trouble executing on things.

1:19:54 – Support: How to Stay on The Path.

1:52:49 – Closing Gratitude.


5 thoughts on “170: How to Be The Person Who Executes. Standing Up VS Avoiding Conflict. Extreme Ownership When it’s Not Your Fault. How to Lead as a Subordinate.”

  1. Jocko,

    First off the importance and impact of these podcasts cannot be over emphasized. You are bringing much needed insight to the world.

    If I may, I’d like to help offer clarity into how I view Extream Ownership. During episode 170 you and echo where discussing how it’s hard to explain and or understand what that means.

    I see it as team oriented culture that the leader instills. If your team fails but everyone takes ownership they will look back and think to themselves “could I have done anything different to ensure we succeed”. That answer is almost always “yes”. When individual, team, and leader are taking extreme ownership and the blame game is non-existent. The “removed brain” anolgy echo used is a great example of how people miss the point. We all know where we failed, but that’s not the point. It’s more about focusing the team on the job and the pathway to success vs highlight the weak link and using that as a scapegoat for failure. Take the field of fire mistake as example. Could the machine gunner done things differently? Yes! Could the person giving the pre-brief done things differently? Yes! Could the commander have done things differently? Yes! If everyone is is sharing that mindset and actively doing everything they can the team will perform at a high level. IMO it’s the leaders job to teach and instill this culture. They have the most influence on the team. Selecting, equipping, training, and orienting teammembers as well as designing the team are all responsibility’s of the leader.


    Wesley Dugas

    P.s. I have a political question for you.

    Are “responsible people” responsible for “irresponsible people”? In other words is it the responsibility of “responsible people” to take care of “irresponsible people”?

    Not asking from an Extream Leadership prospective. Trough that lens I can assume your answer. I’m asking from a Taxpayer prospective regarding social programs? Exp life long smoker reviving taxpayer funded health care?

  2. Jocko (and Echo!):

    First, thanks for this great podcast and all of your work pushing myself and other to get after it and continuously improve.

    I was quite taken aback at your expression of feeling badly during Episode 170, re. the sense of inadequately communicating the idea of “Extreme Ownership”. My understanding of it is as follows: that in any situation, I have played a role in whatever outcome has transpired. My job (at work, home, or anywhere) is to acknowledge that role, take responsibility for my participation and influence over the outcome, and to continue to work at self-improvement so that future outcomes can be more positively influence by my inputs. Does that sound accurate to you?

    Thanks so much, I hope this finds you well.

    Sam Trotta
    Toronto, ON, Canada

  3. Guys,

    I listen to all of your shows but this one was EXACTLY what I needed right now. I’m transitioning from a front line flight medic for a hospital based EMS system to a role in hospital administration overseeing EMS Operations and Emergency Preparedness. THANK YOU SO MUCH for inspiring me and putting my head in the right place when I need it the most. I’ve shared this episode with a few colleagues, and with your permission I’d really like to suggest using the 5 minute section on EMS worker resilience at 1:10:00 as part of a class in the future. Keep up the great work guys, you have no idea how many lives you touch.

  4. It only took 170 episodes to get me to start jiu-jitsu… But I subscribed to the podcast much sooner than that!

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