Jocko discusses what happened at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, TX. Suggestions and an assessment.
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Jocko got a lot of stuff right in this, and a lot of things wrong.
The Chief sounds like a dope, I agree. “I didn’t think I’d need my radio…” clearly inexcusable.
Do we KNOW there was continuous shooting while the cops were outside the classroom for those 40 minutes? I don’t believe we know that. I doubt it to be the case.
They still saying there were 19 cops outside the classroom waiting? What’s the chances that those 19 cops, who were from different jurisdictions, were cowards or blindly followed orders to not make entry? Isn’t it more likely there was information on their end (like NO shooting) that made them think it made sense to not try entry?
Street cops don’t have flash bangs. And street cops have ZERO breaching training.
What was the construction of the door? They said it was steel core surrounded by a steel frame and concrete. Designed specifically to prevent forced entry.
What was the window makeup for these classrooms? It seems illogical that none of these cops thought to look through the windows or make entry through them, IF it was possible.
The parents on the outside can’t be let inside the school in that situation. The perimeter needed held…that’s the cold reality.
Is it not obvious that most kids were killed in that initial volley of 100+ rounds that happened BEFORE the cops were there?
Let’s not forget that at least one kid was killed as BORTAC made entry. That’s probably what the 19 cops outside the classroom were afraid of…pounding futility on that steel door, causing the shooter to start shooting again.
Let’s be careful what we believe from the MSM. There’s probably things that happened that are being mis-reported.
Stop making excuses for them. They trained there the week before and current doctrine for an active shooter is to engage ASAP. There is no justification for what they did other than cowardice.
Jocko’s assessment was pretty much spot on, plus or minus a few details. Whether or not there was “continuous” shooting is irrelevant. The mission is to “Stop the Killing” and then “Stop the Dying.” Regardless of continuous shooting there were victims in there dying. That’s a HARD GO period, end of sentence. Although many agencies have piss poor training, your ZERO assessment of agencies that teach breaching is inaccurate. It’s as simple as this, do you want to lose little or lose big? Sitting on your hands waiting for some perceived advantage will guarantee you will lose big. This was a disgusting and embarrassing failure and there frankly is no excuse for it.
Although hard to listen to, I listened to this episode twice to make sure I didn’t miss anything. Maybe some of the details were missed, and I’m sure the media messed up plenty. But the bottom line is we (LE) failed to enter the building and kill the suspect. The training curriculum after Columbine was all the same nationwide. If there is screaming/shooting, you go in. Whether it’s just you or you plus a few others. You go in fast , hard and run towards to chaos. Better the suspect shoots at you than children or teachers. To have that many officers outside the building waiting for a tactical team is unacceptable. That’s pre-Columbine thinking.
However, after a long career in law enforcement I know there are certain truths. One of those truths is when tested, you fall to the level of your training. If you’re highly trained, you perform at a high level. If you’re poorly trained, you will perform at a low level. Training can be focused on different areas: Low liability/low frequency, low liability/high frequency, high liability/low frequency and high liability/high frequency. Too often PD’s are focusing on low liability/low freq. Nobody is bleeding or dying here. The high liability stuff takes money, actors, time off the street. In other words, commitment from their city/town and the PD command structure. When budgets get squeezed (or defunded), typically the first thing that gets cut is training. Unless every PD has mandatory high liability training, we will continue to see failures like this one.
Sorry so wordy! I get pretty fired up over this topic and taught it for a long time. It breaks my heart to see it still happening.
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