0:00:00 – Opening
0:13:13 – New Book: The Code. The Evaluation. The Protocols.
2:15:33 – Final thoughts and take-aways.
2:16:57 – How to stay on THE PATH.
2:34:16 – Closing Gratitude.
226: The Code. The Evaluation. The Protocols. THE PATH. With Dave Berke
April 21, 2020
|In Podcast Episodes
Dear Jocko, my 11 year old son (will be 12 Apr 30th!) asked if I could get a message to you. He has read all 3 of the Warrior Kid books and wants you to know that he took the books to heart and has to decided to do his best to follow the Warrior Kid Code. Thanks so much Jocko!
(I posted this on one of your tweets today, but thought I should share it here too.)
Here’s a fun one for you, Echo. My 5 year old daughter was being a stinker and not going to bed. After she was out of bed for the 4th time I took extreme ownership of the situation. I said to her “apparently I am not explaining myself clearly. What can I do to help you understand you need to stay in bed and go to sleep?”. She replied “Give me a popsicle.” .
LAYERS!
Howdy sirs,
I was listening to the podcast on the way in to work this morning and the way you and Dave –Good Deal Dave –related holding on to your ideas and keeping an idea to yourself as being a “mortal sin,” is a point I believe you struck right on the head. When Echo brought in his idea of pieces and layers, I had to laugh aloud because I was thinking of something almost exactly along the same lines.
I have had the great fortune to be brought up in a manufacturing family. Jobs working in different kinds of shops have given me some perspectives and ideas that you all solidified in my mind during this podcast.
While working as an aviation mechanic’s apprentice I had the opportunity to work in a shop with some true characters. They weren’t always on “the path” but their heart and their ability to do their jobs, as well their willingness to share their knowledge, is something for which I will be forever grateful.
One of the things I learned from the old-timers was “the drawer,” and “the cart.” The idea was that if you happened upon a part that was not being used or was being replaced by a “new-and-improved gizmo.” You could ask for permission and save it to work on other things as long as its condition was solid or “airworthy.” Without a doubt, there were fixes that were found that would have been an entire and costly replacement due to manufacturers going out of business years ago. Time was saved and ideas came to life with the right part, found by the right person, at the right time.
Echo, I see your idea of the parts –even unpolished and unfinished –as being just like that. Open to anyone in the shop, they were there to save the day when the inter-webs came up dry. However, I was surprised, nay, SHOCKED that you didn’t go with the Apollo 13 movie reference. When NASA engineers and crew on Earth had to fabricate CO2 scrubbers from what was onboard the spacecraft. A movie in which a certain Gary Sinise played not a small role. Layers.
The dichotomy here, however, is that a shop will quickly turn into a junkyard and non-approved parts can make it where they don’t belong if things are allowed to go too far. Dichotomies are always important. Especially when dealing with layers.
This was a great episode. I have ordered the book. I look forward to having another useful tool in the box. Thank you.
Jocko,
I am a law enforcement officer. Why is it that keeping emotions in check and being able to detach is easier to do at work than it is at home? Car crashes with injuries and violent crime scenes are no factor, but the frustration of young children or arguments with the wife can be overwhelming. I would grade myself high at work and low at home. Trying to figure out why this is a such a struggle when on the surface, it seems like it should be the same in either environment.
SAME!
Book.
Ordered.
Love the evaluation system and code. I would like to see you guys come out with an App that asks you to do a daily and weekly assessment to track progress over time. Also, it could incorporate daily goal setting. Just an idea. Thanks!B
I was a Wilderness Counselor with at risk boys about 20 ish years ago. You podcast brought back some memories of that I thought you might like. I’m hoping this is the right podcast since I drive a truck and listened to 3 of them the other day.
I carried a duct tape covered note book in my pocket every day. Got some of the kids doing it too. Bosses directions, notes on the kids, to do lists. It made a world of difference.
I was taught, and I taught other counselors, “go hard on the rules and consistency at the beginning. If things go well you can always ease up later. If you go easy first you will have to fight and claw to get that lost ground back.” Be firm, be fair, be consistent.
I introduced a process into the group where we rotated one student as “leader of the day.” Picked up the idea on my Wilderness Education Assoc Outdoor Leader Course. The LOD was responsible for calling and controlling the line, calling group meeting to order, generally trying to keep the group on track, and the counselors would delegate tasks to them through the day. It’s amazing what troubled kids can do when you raise the bar and let them know you think they can be better.
I’ve not heard you talk about this, but it fits in to what you do. We focused a lot on preventing what we called “power struggles.” Inter personal conflict. I mean, the kids came in with authority issues. If you don’t recognize one starting and escalating they generally end in some form of violence. But when you start to see them you can step in and deflect the situation usually by giving the student an out to save face and still follow directions. Young counselors tend to get in a lot of these and they usually ended in physical restraints. The last year I worked there I only did 2 physical restraint for the year and neither were power struggles. One to stop a fight and one to keep a kid from assaulting a Sheriff. My ability to facilitate change went up as I managed to not get into these power struggles.
Love the podcast! I ordered 3 books for me and my 2 girls.